This is excellent.
Sounds like someone can’t handle any viewpoints in opposition to theirs.
Removed two blockquotes and the original post (since it will be duplicated below) to save space.
No, what I can’t handle is bullshit. Let’s go through the original post together, shall we?
(Before we start, I want to remind anyone reading that I’m not trans, and as such I might fuck up and make a mistake in the following post. If I do, please tell me.)
No one is born transgendered.
Not a fact. Highly debatable. Of course, it really depends on how the writer of the list is defining the term “transgendered” (the term, by the way, is “transgender”). Does she mean that no one is born with a gender identification different than that which they’re assigned, or does it mean that “no one is born on HRT”? Because if it means the latter, then no shit. No one’s born post heart transplant either, and if it means the prior, then I disagree.
You see, we don’t know exactly why people are cis or trans yet. It’s a constant area of study. All we know os that some people are cis and some people are trans. My guess would be that the majority of, if not all trans people, are in fact born that way – considering the fact that many express the fact that they do not feel cis from the ages of four or five. Additionally, there have been studies on brain differences between cis and trans people, but it’s hard to prove anything conclusively from them, since most have taken place after the beginning of HRT and it is possible that the hormones introduced have had an impact on the brains of those trans people.
Transition is a medical invention of the 20th century created to “cure” homosexuality
I’m not sure if this is meant to refer to HRT or SRS, but that’s irrelevant. There are a lot of wacky ways people have tried to cure homosexuality, but transitioning is distinct. Homosexuality and identifying as a different gender are different things. They’re completely different experiences!
Transgenderism can ONLY occur via medical intervention.
Again, this depends on what the original poster is referring to. The literal process of transitioning often involves medical procedures, but identifying differently than what you are assigned at birth doesn’t require any medical intervention, and that is certainly a part of being trans – in fact, it’s what being trans is.
Hormones used for transition can and do change personality AND sexual attraction.
Medical procedures change things about people. That’s a fact. My grandfather used to be a very patient and laid-back man who loves chocolate. At one point he underwent some very serious heart surgery, and when he woke up a while later, was mainly indifferent to chocolate and had become (and remains to this day) the most short-tempered person on the planet.
Many people who transition do not experience personality changes. I actually have never heard of a case where someone has, but it seems entirely possible. But just like my grandfather – they’re getting treatment for a problem, and that’s more important than possible small alterations to their personality.
The same thing applies to sexual attraction. Lots of things change a person’s sexual attraction. A ton of medications for things completely unrelated to transitioning impart this risk. That doesn’t make it a bad medication. It just makes it a medication with a side effect.
ALL transition surgeries are UNNECESSARY.
Go talk to someone who has underwent a transition. It’s not unnecessary. It’s fucking treatment for a problem.
ALL transition surgeries are barbaric, permanently mutilating once healthy body parts.
This is just incorrect.
Inverts were males and females who were perceived as being inverted, such as female inverts having a “masculine soul, heaving in the female bosom”. In other words those who didnt subscribe to the Gender Straight Jacket.
Wow! People in the past had a view of gender that’s not as advanced as the one we have now? I’m completely shocked that since then we’ve gained more information!
It was during this time (1931) that Lili Elbe received and died from the first sex reassignment surgery. Elbe was most likely intersexed, as medical evidence at the time indicated.
Elbe died because her body rejected the uterus that doctors had attempted to implant in her. Yes, the uterus. This is not a surgery which is done regularly today as SRS. In fact, the only successful uterus transplant to ever occur was in 2011, when a cis woman who was born without a uterus of her own had one transplanted from a dead individual.
Harry Benjamin who was a friend of and highly influenced by Magnus Hirshfeld, was heavily interested in gay male drag shows where according to HB, “many of the customers appeared in the clothing of the other sex”.
Harry Benjamin is the father of transsexualism/transgenderism.
Viewing psychiatry through a Gender Straight Jacketed lens, Benjamin ignorantly assumed transvestites and gay men to be one and the same.
HB believed gay men to all be effeminate.
This series of points is another fantastic example of “we know more now than we did then”. Not to mention that Benjamin’s decision to begin performing HRT on a child was because the child “wanted to become a girl”, not because he mistook a gay child for something he was not.
Most of Benjamin’s patients were female fetishizers he mistook for homosexuals.
Woah, hold it. I am not okay with the use of the term “female fetishizers”. It’s rude and inaccurate. Trans women are not “female fetishizers”, they’re women. That’s is.
Within the first decade of SRS, female fetishizers created an underground snail mail communication system whereby female fetishizers knew beforehand what to say to HB and later SRS doctors that would enable them to be approved for SRS.
Honestly? I can’t be too angry about this. If these women wanted treatment and treatment was hard to get, then yeah, I can see them wanting to know exactly what the doctors are looking for in a candidate.
The main criteria for early SRS (and today still) is homosexuality or behaviour considered to be homosexual.
Here's an example of what is required from one institution to be considered for SRS. You can look up more if you'd like.
The majority of transitions remain straight white males who have a twisted cock response to clothing labeled “girls" or "womens”. Males known as Autogynephiles or as I call them, Female Fetishizers. Males who fetishize the patriarchal Male Gaze constructed IDEA “woman/femininity”.
Female Fetishizers carry out transvestism to the Nth degree in search for greater and greater sexual highs.
This is pathetic. This is nothing more than an attack on trans women.
The medical community didnt invest in sex changes until the Kinsey Reports of (1948) and (1953) which concluded at least 10% of the population was homosexual and 37% of males had had a homosexual experience.
Perhaps the medical community was mislead? The matter of fact is that SRS was around since the 30s (“The earliest identified recipient of male to female sex reassignment surgery was ‘Dora-R’. [She] took the first step towards changing [her] sex in 1921, when [she] had [herself] castrated… Finally, in 1930, the operation which [she] had attempted at the age of six was performed upon [her], that is, the removal of [her] penis, and six months afterwards the transformation was completed by the grafting of an artificial vagina.”) and the medical community had to get comfortable with it at some point.
In the early seventies pro consensual pedophilia doctor John Money (notorious for experimenting on the intersexed) coined the term Gender Identity/Gender Roles.
John Money mistakenly believed the Gender Identity is socially constructed, which he tried to prove through reassigning David Reimer, despite Reimer having no desire to transition (being a baby, he couldn’t exactly speak up). If you haven’t read up on Reimer’s story, go do so now.
It’s quite funny that this list brings up John Money as a villain (which he was) but then immediately goes on to say
Gender Identity/Gender Roles are socially constructed via patriarchy, NOT organically created in the womb.
Money believed that Gender Identity is socially constructed. Congratulations with agreeing with the person you just identified as being pro-pedophilia.
I honestly do not see your point. The DSM was evolving. Congratulations.
The Trans Politic was created by straight white males-female fetishizers-using politics to further their pornographic urgers, not so dissimilar to NAMBLA’s political pedophilia via the Gay and Lesbian platform.
Wrong. This is what I was referring to in my original reply when I said “disgusting”. Comparing trans women to NAMBLA is gross. Wanting your body to match your gender identity, wanting to be comfortable with yourself and rid yourself of dysphoria is in no way comparable with advocating sex with children. I have no idea where the hell the original poster is even coming from, really – this is so out of left field.
Transition DOES NOT and CANNOT EVER change a person’s sex.
Well, I mean, what is sex, really? There are cis women born with a vagina, boobs, and XY chromosomes. It’s rare, of course, but it happens. If a trans woman has those same attributes, then what makes her not female?
Transition is purely a cosmetic and legal “sex change”.
It’s not purely cosmetic. It is a medical procedure. And yes, it does affect your legal gender marker. That’s because having a legal gender which doesn’t match your gender is stupid.
Gay males who transition do so out of internalized homophobia, usually within a hyper masculine minority culture amid the larger white culture.
Gay males tend to either come out as gay or stay closeted, not transition to hide the fact that they’re gay. I’m sure there have been exceptions, but this seems very far fetched to me.
Since gay white male popularity and large media visibility, gay white male transitions have drastically decreased to near nonexistence.
I’m gonna say that gay white males probably weren’t flocking to transition to begin with. Being gay is stigmatized against and looked down upon, but trans people get it even worse. The concept of transitioning to hide homosexuality is baffling.
In quantity, lesbian transition was largely unheard of until the backlash against feminism rode its Trojan horse-Queer Theory-into academia and then the Lesbian community.
A huge phase of feminist backlash is hyper-femininity.
Not until hyper-femininity began reaching new undreamed of heights did dykes begin transitioning in numbers.
As hyper femininity began being hammered upon younger and younger women/girls, Trans Trending among lesbian youth took off.
The phrase “trans trending” is not a phrase you should use. Ever. And the fact that more trans men have been willing to transition as of late, if it is even true, could simply be explained by the fact that trans awareness is rising, and procedures for trans men were developed after those for trans women.
Transitioning children has been rare due to the lack of legal medical grounds to do so.
Since the recent publication of the DSM5 which includes transitioning children, the trans kid phenomena has skyrocketed.
Yeah. Because gender identity begins to be expressed in youth, and helping children to transition, or at least stave off puberty until they have had more time to contemplate who they are, is helpful.
Trans kids are considered children who do not sport the Gender Straight Jacket.
Trans kids are kids who say that they are not the gender they are assigned. Tomboys still exist, for example. It’s not like everyone is taking every slightly boy-ish female kid (or girly male kid) and setting them up for hormone therapy. The kid needs to actually show interest in transitioning, as well as go through counselling before any HRT occurs.
Trans kids if left alone will grow up in most cases to be healthy gay and lesbian adults.
So you say. I don’t believe it.
Homophobic parents are transitioning their children rather than have a gay son or lesbian daughter.
You really think someone bigoted enough to be afraid of a gay child is going to be okay with a trans one? Really?
Transitioning children IS an overt attempt to eradicate gays and lesbians in their youth.
Hormone blockers used to “treat” GI-gender in-congruence in children are dangerous and life threatening.
Transition is the ONLY treatment for modern MENTAL illness that barbarically removes or rearranges healthy body parts for its cure.
It doesn’t “barbarically” do anything. Jesus Christ.
The GID/GI diagnoses requires the patient be suffering from dysphoria (severe uncomfortableness with the body or how the body is viewed by society).
Female fetishizers who make up most transitions NEVER suffer from dysphoria.
Prove they don’t suffer from dysphoria. This is remarkably stupid because clearly these trans women have said they had dysphoria (in order to get the diagnosis) and you’re just shouting “NO! YOU’RE LYING!” for no reason.
ALL females suffer from varying degrees of dysphoria.
All humans suffer from varying degrees of dysphoria. For most people it’s a very, very small amount and may be completely unrelated to gender. So, you know, has no connection to trans people whatsoever.
Yet lesbians remain the prime females receiving transition as a cure for their dysphoria.
Children do not suffer from dysphoria, yet those suspected of being gay or lesbian are being labeled trans and transitioned.
“All females suffer from dysphoria!”
“Children do not suffer from dysphoria!”
Do female children not exist, then? Children can and do suffer from dysphoria, and you can’t just transition a kid unless they’ve expressed interest in transitioning. Jesus.
Transition has NEVER cured anyone of their dysphoria.
Really? Because I have read countless accounts of trans people disagreeing with that. I’m not going to look any up for you, you can do it yourself.
Dysphoria relief from transition is temporary.
Dysphoria increases over time post transition.
Have you transitioned? I’m assuming no – I believe the woman who wrote this list was a cis lesbian. Go and read things actual trans people have said.
Outside of transition, no therapy has been used to ease dysphoria or attempt to cure it.
If I remember correctly, people have tried psychotherapy. And of course, torture, as every non-standard group of individuals is treated to. But transition is what works.
Transition drugs have no serious long term studies and have caused cancer and other complications in trans persons.
I hear people say this all the time but I never see any citations. I wonder why that is.
Once the trans person passes as the opposite sex, there is a perpetual mental fear and stress of being found out.
Yes. Perhaps because people like you exist and would treat them like shit because of something which was in no way their fault and is in no way bad. Additionally – I don’t think your statement is completely true. There are many trans people who are open and honest about being trans because they wish for other trans people to feel like they have a place and there isn’t something wrong with them.
All the troubles that lead the trans person to transition do not magically go away post transition, in fact many more new troubles arise.
Transitioning doesn’t fix your whole life. It helps with the whole “dysphoria” thing, though, which you may have noticed is important.
Cis is an organic chemistry term trans persons use misogynistically to attack primarily feminist and separate themselves from non transitioners.
I am a cis woman. This is not a misogynist term or a slur. It is not used to attack feminists. It is simply a word that means the opposite of trans. While trans is across from, cis is on the same side. All it means is that your gender identity matches that you were assigned as a child. There is nothing remotely offensive about it. The term “transitioners”, on the other hand…
Because the trans identity is self created, i.e weak, trans persons cannot fathom critical analysis of any kind.
Because the radical feminist identity is self created, i. e weak, radical feminist persons cannot fathom critical analysis of any kind.
Was this written by a fucking five year old? I mean, ignoring the fact that being trans isn’t a self-created identity, since when does having a self-created identity make you unable to fathom critical analysis? What the fuck?
~No one labeling themselves trans is a feminist.~
There are lots of trans feminists. Try again.
The foundation for transition is misogyny, and misogyny is the foundation for homophobia.
Both parts of that statement are grossly incorrect. The foundation for transition is being a fucking trans person, and the foundation for homophobia is fear of things unknown or considered unusual.
Transphobia does not exist.
This is factually incorrect.
Trans persons attacked or murdered are done so because of homophobia and the foundation of homophobia-misogyny.
No, they are attacked or murdered because of transphobia. What the fuck.
Transition flourished because female fetishizers for decades have used the gay and lesbian political platform to advance their fetishes and inline with the leaders of the straight white homophobic medical community, hampered and out right destroyed gay and lesbian advancement and lives.
Being trans isn’t a fucking fetish, it’s a fucking variety on gender identity.
Transition never ends, high dosing of hormones must continue the life of the trans person.
It’s a type of ongoing health care. No shit it doesn’t end.
Throughout this post you constantly assert that trans people must be gay. So…what about a trans man, an FtM individual…who digs dudes, and always had? Not a closeted lesbian. What is he to you now?
And here is a long take-down of the post I mentioned yesterday.
Well, I’m off to school. Have fun talking about how nobody understands you because you’re a plexiglasssexual and how I’m such a bad ally.
Dude, you realize that by mocking queer people you literally are the epitome of a homophobe.
my love for strong, light, durable, saleable, and possibly clear materials should not restrict what I am and am not allowed to do. how fucking hard is that to understand?
It would be cheaper to fly to Spain, get a hip replacement, live there for two years, get a second hip replacement, and fly home than it would be to get one hip replaced in the United States.
Hark! how the bell
Great Doom Bell
It seems to say,
"Throw hope away."
Mistress is here
Bringing the fear
To young and old
Meek and the bold
Ding, dong, ding, dong
That is the song
With but one ring
One seems to hear
Words of great fear
Filling the air
Oh how it pounds,
Raising the sound,
O’er hill and dale,
Telling the tale,
One mighty call
Then people fall
Bringing the fear
Doomsday is here
Merry, merry, merry, merry Hunting!
Merry, merry, merry, merry Hunting!
On, on it sends
It never ends
Doom and despair
just to avoid accidentally using offensive language i’m going to start using 90s surfer dude slang because inadvertently offending someone is totally bogus dude
people might not want to be called dude
you are radically right and that is so not tubular my friend i apologise